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>> this week on the journal editorial report, with two of his chief rivals on the ropes, will another candidate emerge as mitt romney's main challenger? plus, a big win for big labor asoo voters reject restrictions on collective bargaining rights, are unions making a come back, and a new report says that iran is steps away from building a nuclear bomb. will israel attack before the west responds? welcome to the journal edithe r editorial report.
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it was a rough week for g.o.p. potentials, herman cain fighting off new allegations of sexual harassment and rick perry having a brain freeze at wednesday night's michigan debate. will another candidate emerge from the g.o.p. field as mitt romney's main challenger? let's ask wall street journal columnist dan henninger and board members jason riley and dorothy. so, dan, i think after the debate, so question that mitt romney continues to be the strongest runner, the front runner who is likely to emerge here to challenge him as the iowa caucuses get closer? >> well, you know, paul we get asked this a lot. every time i go through this exercise, you go through the list, am i forgetting somebody? am i sure paul ryan is not on that stage. >> paul: the current candidates are making that big of an impression. >> we have entered the twilight zone of presidential
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nominations, herman cain with his women problems and rick perry with his speaking problems, and mitt romney can't get above 25%, apparently is sinking in the most recent polls. so the answer? we are in a kind of unusual period with this, it's hard to predict. herman cain clearly has enough personal media charisma to be a strong candidate if this issue doesn't blow him up. >> you don't see him fading? >> i don't see him fading unless one of the stories truly sinks him. secondly on substantial, newt gingrich is clearly one person on the stage other than romney and huntsman who is actually talking in depth about issues that matter to people so i think it's by and large those two. >> herman cain, jason, is he going to make it through this? how has he done this week as opposed to last? >> well, it looks like he's holding steady right now, but if you pars some of the poll
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numbers, republican women, he's starting to lose ground with some of them as might be expected. whether he can hold up, i don't know. in the long run, i don't think so. mitt romney has had consistent trouble with two groups in the g.o.p. evangelicals and tea party supporters, the two groups, and michigan michele bachmann and rick perry and herman cain. and will those two groups resolve to mitt romney or look to someone else like newt gingrich. time is running short, less than two months to iowa. >> paul: dorothy you wrote this week, you think that newt gingrich could be the number one challenger and maybe the nomination. >> i believe not only because of romney's weaknesses which are considerable because he has not lost that sense of, wanting the presidency so much, and to put it blandly, that he would say anything. we have on the one hand a bunch of people who would not
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run for this office, on the other hand-- >> about whom you're very fond, i know. >> on the other hand we have mr. romney who has this record which he keeps repeating. what he did in ohio after everything, after all of the talk about his waffling, to have backed out on that union business was very-- >> that's a vulnerability for ram any. why gingrich? if he was ruled out three months ago? >> i've had enough male on this, telling me anybody who is exposed to gingrich on the campaign trail, who listens to him, he has an extraordinary flow of substance, ringing conviction and put at such dramatic odds as a leader and whose ideas are so contagious that he makes the room rise up. this is an important thing in the presidential race. >> clearly he knows, dan, he's the most knowledgeable about government of all of them on the stage. >> and that matters. >> it ought to matter, shouldn't it.
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don't we want someone at least informed? >> exactly. that i think is rick perry's problem. >> this is the governor of texas decided the last minute to run for the presidency and talk about washington and whose issues by and large are distraction to a governor like that, he hasn't absorbed them. like it or not, people are so mad and angry at washington, if we're going to fix washington we're going to need a president who understands washington, in depth and understands its politics. an insider actually. and newt gingrich is clearly showing that he understands the details of the problem and i think people are responding to that. >> and he's talented. 's a talented politician and we see that in the debates and as republicans watch his debates and imagining how this person might do against president obama come october of next year and clearly, newt begin dprich looks like he'd be formidable person on the stage. >> do you agree with dan about perry's problems? because he came in the race with so much promise with his
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texas jobs record and assuming that would be perfect for the moment. has his personal failings as a candidate trumped that message? >> oh of course. you have to be able to communicate your successes and strengths. this is a man who has been running on his center plans for the the past month and can't remember he wants to eliminate the energy department. can you imagine if you've did-- >> i've had brain freezes on the air, everybody does, i don't think you can penalize him for that. >> exactly right. i mean, this is not like george romney, mitt romney's father saying i was brain washed. this has nothing about-- >> about vietnam. >> 1968 when he was a presidential candidate. >> after a string of bad debate performances, this is, this is the cherry on top of the cake so to speak. if this had been an isolated event, okay, maybe. but we all know what his debate performances have been
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up to now, considering not debating. reinforcing-- >> i think that mitt romney wants herman cain to stay strong because he figures if herman cain and newt gingrich divide up the conservative vote he's going to stay at his solid 20, 25% and he can, he's way ahead in new hampshire and could even slip through and win in iowa, dan. briefly. >> i agree. so they have to find some vulnerability in mitt romney and would i quickly it's his positions on taxes which is out of step with the all other republicans now wants flatten and lower rates and he won't do that. >> dan, when we come back, ohio voters say no to governor john kasich's attempt to rein in unions. is big labor fighting back. >> another penn state scandal? this d.a. investigated sandusky and mysterious disappeared years later. was there a connection? >> insight into the ongoing
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>> labor unions are celebrating a bick victory in ohio after voters overturned
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to rein in teachers, police officers and government workers, signed in march by republican governor john kasich, would have stripped 350,000 public employees of the collective bargaining rights and pay at least 15% of their health care costs and the measure was rejected by more than 60% of voters. so, after taking a beating and scott walker's wisconsin and chris christie's new jersey is the outcome a sign that unions are making a comeback? we're back with dan henninger and jason riley and joining the panel. kim strassel. >> the message out of iowa, if you dare to challenge unions political power you'll be crushed. is that right? >> i think what we saw out of ohio this week, when unions across the entire country decide to focus on one race, and 30 million or more
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astonishing on one initiative. they can pull up and when their opponents make some tactical errors and we can talk about that. >> what were those mistakes, kim. you're right about the money and wisconsin managed to survive with this intact and ohio didn't. why the difference? >> the difference was up in wisconsin what governor walker made sure he did was exempt police and firefighters from some of these restrictions on collective bargaining and that's not the case in ohio and that seemed to bother a lot of ohio voters, there with an as poll that showed one in five republicans seemed to have an issue with the collective bargaining restrictions no doubt because of the police and firefighters, inclusion in them. >> and republicans in ohio also weren't as united as republicans were in wisconsin and some of the other states, indiana and so forth. on kasich came into office, the republican governor, want today focus on the budget
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deficit closing the budget gape without raising taxes and spending and worry about union stuff later, but the republican legislature kind of forced his hand and wanted to do everything at once and as kim said they included police and firefighters in these union reforms, some people didn't like that, but the republican party itself was also divided so you had a divided left and right on this issue in ohio. >> let's try to put the substantial of what happened in the political context, mainly what people were upset about were was taking away the collective bargaining rights of the unionists and the other provision about contributions to health and pensions are in polls popular with ohioens, so it looks as though the republicans now intend to reintroduce those two elements in the next sessions of the legislature. meanwhile, the democrats want a two year moratorium on any union related legislation and they know that if the other two provisions get put up to a
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vote people will probably support it. >> but the argument would be over time. if you don't take on collective bargaining, which gives the public unions outside influence over taxpayers, right? because they're basically able to influence the politicians through campaign contributions after sitting on the other side of the bargaining table with, if you don't do something to fix that, you can't fix the fiscal problem. >> and they would say something about police and firefighters, i'm not sure how you make the numbers on the fiscal rationalization if you don't include those people in the plan. >> one of the interesting results from ohio the same voters to rejected the collective bargaining reforms, rejected overwhelmingly the president's health care plan. it was symbolic and numbers were almost the opposite of the collective bargaining decision, how do you square that? >> i think it ought to cause
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some pause in the cujubilation. in the end. 180,000 more voted against obama care than voted against the union law. so, what ended up happening, a lot of people out there supporting the unions were voting down the president's health care laws and some of the very union people out there protecting their own rights. so, i mean, what this does say to republicans, obviously, a very strong issue for them going to health care, and does resonate probably more than union questions. >> and i would just add, again, what kim said to reiterate. if you're he a republican next year you probably want to run health care not against collective bargaining. >> what about results in virginia and new jersey. the president has spent a lot of time in virginia in particular, and he won that in 2008 and hopes to do it again. what's the he message from the races let's say legislature this week? >> you know, the white house is putting a lot of hopes on places like virginia to potentially even out,
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potential losses they might have in other traditional swing states so they're spending a lot of time in virginia, north carolina, nevada. these elections were devastating for them. and the republicans increased their amounts in the house, they took over the state senate and have unified government and in maine counties there where obama won last time and he's struggling, too. >> all right, so we'll be watching and see what happens for 2012. when we come back, a u.n. report that iran is close to a nuclear bomb. will israel attack before the west responds? . >> my doctor's again ordered me to take aspirin. and i do. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ mike ] listen to the doctor. take it seriously. you noticed! these clothes are too big, so i'm donating them. how'd you do it? eating right, whole grain. [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios...
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>> a report provided by the nuclear watch dog provided the
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strongest evidence that iran is close to developing a nuclear weapon. the iaea how iran has carried out computer simulations of explosions and worked on detonators and made more than a dozen forfeiting of warheads to missiles. this is amid widespread reports that israel is considering. and we're joined by bret stevens. how much did we learn from that report? >> not a lot. a lot of this has been reported or strongly suspected for many years. the reason it's important, is because it gives the perimeter of the international atomic energy agency to all of in. iaea is a very cautious, responsibility agency and nobody on any side of the debate can accuse it of hyping the intelligence and dresses how it collected this intel and how it cross checked
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streams of intelligence and gave us a sense of the ballistic missile capability and so on. >>, but we were told, reading that the computer virus that struck iran's nuclear program set it back, but apparently not enough? >> no, in fact, iaea reports notes that iran has enriched, but it has not provided the silver bullet. >> paul: what's the timetable in terms of when they could actually be ready to explode a bomb if they wanted to? >> they're pretty much ready to explode a bomb in the next six months. they have enough material, the tough part of building an atomic bomb. they have enough of the material for three or four bombs. >> paul: we've heard before it's six months or a year, why should we believe that now?
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>> we know they know how to assembly and put the material into a shape and devise explosives that can actually detonate this thing. >> that's right. and one additional footnote. they're creating complex explosives that allow them to put a bomb on a war head. it's a problem delivers a bomb once you get it. they're getting to the point they are going to be able to deliver it. >> paul: makes fools of those who wrote in 2007, the national intelligence they had given up the program in 2003? >> that report was deceitful and wrong. deceitful in the sense that suggested the inrichment was a side war, but on to the point they were making, the iranians put the weaponization to the side. in 2003. turns out according to the last week, turns out to be flatley wrong. >> let's talk about israel, there's been a lot of discussion in the press this
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they are once again considering a strike. do you think that's real? >> i think it's-- it's increasingly plausible. for a long time israel has been hoping that the united states would do the job because america's capabilities. >> million capability. >> and intelligence and air power and so on. now, i think there's a real fear that the obama administration has not been serious and you're talking and look and hear about a new round of sanctions and opposing it at the u.n., it's going nowhere, israel recently tested a long range ballistic missile, they have he' been improving their ballistic missile defenses for the last year, and you hear not only people, traditional hawks like rm netanyahu about doves to take military action-- >> do you think they're
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serious. they're serious and the real danger is in pitching this issue forward. israel isn't the only other country watching that. the other crucial country is turkey, a wealthy country, middle eastern country. >> they say they're opposed to any kind of attack. >> they're opposed to attack, but probably not opposed to developing their nuclear capability. iran, pakistan, israel in their part of the world with nuclear capability. why wouldn't they now? the logic is a bomb from pakistan overnight. >> and then egypt, probably, too, you'd see a nuclear arms race, right? >> which would be iron. >> for the administration to make that the cornerstone of the policy. >> paul: leon panetta, the defense secretary, unintended consequences of a strike. maybe a message to israel,
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maybe not a deterrent to send to iran. we have to take one more break, when we come back, our hits and misses of the week. [ male announcer ] our nation's veterans are real-life heroes. but when they come home, they don't want a parade; they want a job. the postal service employs more veterans than any other civilian employer. but congress is debating a bill that would force the postal service to fire tens of thousands of vets, close post offices, shut mail processing plants, and disrupt mail delivery. drastic cuts won't fix the postal service and aren't needed. tell your representative to vote "no" on house resolution 2309.
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and save up to thousands of dollars. call this toll-free number now. >> time now for hits and misses of the week, dorothy. >> all right. and the department of the interior has let it be known that franklin roosevelt's iconic speech about d-day and our prayer is not welcome on memorial of d-day and extraordinary bureaucratic effort of mentioning god in any of our institution ises one of the most memorable of reasons and one of the most defensive. >> corps think, thank you, bret? >> this is a hit for me a few weeks ago on this show. i predicted president obama would not allow the pipeline project to come forward. a million barrels a day from canada into the united states and make us more independent
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for middle eastern oil and tens of thousands of jobs and thousands of miles ever pipeline all over the country and the president found excuses not only to cave to his environmentalist base, but denying thousands of americans a right to work. >> paul: you were right, i was wrong and cynical of politics, the wrong place to be. >> kim. >> a miss for the white house, solyndra, the bankrupt company with a federal loan guaranteed and the white house declared no political hanky-panky and did not interveer in the loan process and solyndra's investors, did not exert pressure and now house republicans released e-mails that put real doubt on that, on those questions and statements, and the white house continues to obstruct putting out the communitycation on this, i think it's time they just come clean. >> remember, if you have your own hit or miss, send it to us at
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